On the Socialist, Collectivist Central Planning Anti-Islam Propagandists Against Mosques

This is a compilation of excerpts from various blog  posts I did in mid-August 2010, regarding the New York City proposed Islamic Center near WTC Ground Zero.

In The War Party’s New Torchlight Parade, William Grigg explains how opposition to the “Ground Zero Mosque” has been solely emotional and irrational, and not based on reason, and is out of touch with the actual historical truth of the U.S. government’s own complicity in the advancement of radical Islam, and America’s terrorism woes.

…During the past decade, a Middle Eastern nation of roughly 30,000,000 people once ruled by a secular government succumbed to Sharia Law. The predictable results of that catastrophe included a dramatic increase in religious violence, such as the persecution of professional women whose dress and conduct are now seen as unacceptable. More than half of the Christian population of that country — which includes congregations tracing their roots back to the original disciples – was driven into exile.

That nation is Iraq, which suffered for decades under Washington’s loathsome subcontractor Saddam Hussein before Saddam’s employer decided to remove the middleman.

For a dozen years after the 1991 Gulf War — which followed the Washington-instigated Iraqi assault on Kuwait, which itself was a sequel to the Washington-abetted Iraqi war with Iran — the country was suffocated by a murderous embargo punctuated with the occasional terror-bombing. After being softened up for more than a decade, Iraq was invaded and occupied by U.S. troops who killed and died in order to install an Islamist government whose new constitution formally enshrines Sharia Law.

When American jingoists offer misty-eyed tributes to the soldiers who died in the course of “liberating” Iraq, it could be said that they are, in effect, praising the efforts of men and women who are martyrs to the cause of Sharia Law.

This outcome is not an historical anomaly. For the past six decades, the Anglo-American elite (with Washington assuming the senior partner role after World War II) has assiduously promoted the most violent strains of revolutionary Islam, often — but not exclusively — as a strategic weapon in the context of the Cold War….

Grigg continues with some historical background to the origins of Islamic jihad and how Western governments were complicit. And he provides a 2006 quote from the imam who wants to build the Islamic center two blocks from Ground Zero:

…Not having access to his unspoken plans and motives, I cannot say whether Imam Rauf is sincere or duplicitous in his efforts to encourage mutual respect and understanding among people of different faiths. However, I am impressed by the answer he gave in 2006 when asked what his “Ramadan wish” would be for the world:

“[I would wish that] we would remember that the two greatest commandments that God gave us through the mouths of his many prophets and messengers, including Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed  — to love the Lord our God and to love our neighbors. It also means do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you. If that can be the criterion of our foreign policy, I guarantee you that our foreign policy will be successful and wildly popular.”

Some people actually want to use the armed force of government to seize the property in question, in the name of “protecting Americans from radical Muslims,” etc. Of course, no crimes have been committed. Usually in America — maybe not Venezuela nor Israel, but in George Washington’s America — there is something called Presumption of Innocence, in which people are supposed to be left alone and their persons, property and effects not violated unless and until they are actually suspected of having committed some kind of actual crime against some other individuals.

If you suspect the imam of having committed some kind of crimes against others, then arrest him and put him on trial. Otherwise, he has a right to be left alone. If you don’t like what someone is planning to do on a parcel of private property, then the American Way is to offer to buy that property from him, certainly not seize it by force. THAT would be un-American!

Unfortunately, the attitudes of ignorance that pervade America and that drive the hysteria against the mosque are of collectivism. Collectivists group together and gang up on individuals they deem “dangerous” or a “threat to society,” and the urge to violate private property and seize it from the property’s just owners is solely a collectivist urge.

For me personally, the biggest threat our society and our freedom face now is collectivism. It has been collectivism that has allowed a federal government to balloon to such a threatening size and power and to water the seeds of growing Islamic jihad against the West. Collectivism has been at the root of everything that has destroyed America — the America that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, Patrick Henry and George Mason, John Adams and Samuel Adams created — a country that was to protect the individual from the majority, the collective, groups, gangs and mobs, but most of all: the State.

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On the Laura Ingraham Show this morning, Jed Babboon was filling in. I only heard a little bit, but that was really enough for me. They were discussing the proposed Islamic center (aka “mosque”) for a site two blocks from the Ground Zero 9/11 site. They’re talking about it like it’s to be on the actual World Trade Center site, but it’s two blocks away.

As I have mentioned here, the arguments against the mosque are solely emotional, and to do with how such a building would affect the survivors and family members of 9/11 victims.

Unfortunately, the 9/11 terrorist attacks are in some way associated with Islam, but it’s not Islam’s fault that 19 lunatics did what they did. One lady called the talk show and said that she was a Persian Gulf War (1990-91) veteran, and stationed in Saudi Arabia. She claimed that the Saudis would not let the U.S. chaplains wear their crosses (because it would offend the Saudis, apparently), and it was mentioned that Islam is a very intolerant religion, as far as religions go. But that’s Saudi Arabia; this is the U.S. Supposedly, we’re not like that.

Of the motivations for their terrorism uttered by the Islamic terrorists including Bin Ladem was their reactions to the U.S. government’s intrusions into Middle-Eastern territories. I’ve brought that up a few times, because it’s worth mentioning. And, more specifically the Islamic terrorists have said they don’t like the U.S. government setting up shop, their military bases, etc. on Islamic holy lands. I’m bringing that up here, because perhaps the people who are so emotionally against the building of the mosque might try to see things from other people’s perspective for a change. I know, that’s asking a lot especially of neocons and warmongers (not that all the 9/11 survivors and family members of victims are neocons and warmongers, however). i.e., the Muslims feel offended or hurt in some way when the U.S. government occupies Islamic holy lands and now some Americans feel offended or hurt by the possibility of a mosque occupying what to them is “holy.”

Unfortunately, some people see the questioning of the U.S. government’s expansion on foreign lands — or any questioning of U.S. government foreign policy, for that matter — and pointing out the role that U.S. government expansionism on Islamic holy lands may have played in motivating Islamic terrorists to want to attack the U.S., as “blaming America” for terrorism against the U.S., specifically 9/11. But we must clarify something here: There are two groups. One is our country, the United States of America. The other is the U.S. government. But it is not America that has been causing those intrusions in the Middle East. It is the U.S. government.

Sadly, some people are not very well able to distinguish between America and the U.S. government. America consists of Americans, the people who live here (in general), and the U.S. government consists of parasitic professional career politicians and bureaucrats who have been feeding off the productivity and labor of the American people. Don’t blame the American people. It’s the parasites in DC who have been provoking the inhabitants of the Middle-East, and starting wars against them, murdering innocents and destroying whole societies such as Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon, Iran.

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Do I really have to write about the New York City mosque (or Islamic Center, or whatever it is) controversy again? Jeepers, it’s getting really annoying now. The opposition to that building has been purely emotional, based on irrational anti-Muslim fear and paranoia, and not based on truth and reason. It’s the same kind of emotionalistic propaganda as the campaign pushing for war against Iran now. Those Archie Bunkers really are out there now.

Michael Savage was especially irrational in yesterday’s show, stating that the opposition has nothing to do with Islam but to do with the location of the proposed building, that he and other propagandists keep claiming is right on the site of the former World Trade Center or “Ground Zero,” when the truth is that it is NOT on that property, it is two blocks away from it. But zealots and propagandists will say what they feel they have to when feeling reticent in expressing their actual anti-Muslim bigotry, hatred and paranoia.

Meanwhile, while Savage was claiming that it had to do with “location,” this morning Glenn Beck was saying on his show that it doesn’t have to do with location but with the backgrounds of the imam and members of his organization, and who’s funding them. Actually, it’s nobody’s business who’s funding an organization who wants to build on property they own, just as it’s nobody’s business who’s funding Glenn Beck’s 8/28 event or who’s funding Michael Savage’s legal challenge to the U.K., a country into which it’s not even worth trying to get one’s entry accepted.

I think I listen to too many talk radio shows.

But anyway, today on his show Michael Graham was talking about people reporting on their neighbors who spank their children, and Laura Ingraham was talking about a Montana controversy of putting explicit sex education crap in the curriculum of kindergarteners and first graders. I’m against spanking, but I’m also against neighbors being ratfinks for stupid reasons, and there shouldn’t be any sex education in the schools — that’s for families. Privatize ALL the schools and ban teachers unions!

But back to the “mosque” controversy, the proposed building is to be two blocks away from the WTC site, where there was a Burlington Coat Factory store (Ooooh, the Burlington Coat Factory — What a place of holiness in need of preservation, they better not put a mosque on THAT property…)

The irrational arguments I’m hearing from the anti-Muslin haters is in the same category of irrationality I hear from leftists, such as Nancy Smelgrosi (“We’ll pass the bill so we can see what’s in it,” etc.).

And Hermione Gingrich says why should we allow a mosque when Saudi Arabia won’t allow Christians to build a church or Jews to build a synagogue there, nya nya nya, and so on. Hermione wants America to be more like Saudi Arabia, apparently.

In an article a few days ago, Will Grigg provided a 2006 quote from imam Rauf,

“[I would wish that] we would remember that the two greatest commandments that God gave us through the mouths of his many prophets and messengers, including Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed  — to love the Lord our God and to love our neighbors. It also means do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you. If that can be the criterion of our foreign policy, I guarantee you that our foreign policy will be successful and wildly popular.”

I know that the more extreme anti-Muslin zealots and bigots won’t understand what the imam is saying, and the people who are not extreme but still opposed to the mosque because they fall prey to the emotional arguments rather than reason probably also won’t understand what Rauf is trying to say, and the warmongers who love war against Muslim countries will most likely translate Rauf’s statement as “America deserved to be attacked.” (Which, given the above quote, I think one would have to actually be retarded to perceive it that way.)

But to more open-minded people like me, and to those who actually know what our government has been doing to the Middle East for 6 or 7 decades, here is what Rauf is referring to: Americans probably would not want foreign countries to be setting up military bases and other government facilities within our territories. At least I wouldn’t like that. (Are there any foreign military bases in the U.S.? Well, I wonder why not!) i.e. “Do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you.”

If some people don’t understand that, then perhaps they are a bit too self-centered, and feel that it’s okay for their country to trespass on foreign lands, but how dare foreign countries trespass on our great divine nation’s soil! (Honestly, that’s such an un-Christian attitude, though. Isn’t it?)

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It is unfortunate that we more rational folks have to continue writing about this “mosque” controversy, or community center, whatever it is, in New York City, the city that never thinks. Unfortunately, there will be so much public pressure for the imam to relocate his intended center, based on irrational fear and paranoia, not to mention bigotry and ignorance, in the same way that Dr. Laura felt compelled to not renew her radio show contract as she kowtows to leftist “political correctness” intolerance of diversity in speech (especially when Dr. Laura used the “n-word” in the innocent, non-derogatory way that she used it).

But Glenn Beck is constantly saying “always tell the truth,” and I agree with that, and I have been trying to tell the truth of what the U.S. government has been doing to America, whether conservatives and others want to hear it or not.

The imam Rauf’s statement after the September 11th attacks that Sean Hannity continues to repeat ad nauseam, in which Rauf gives the U.S. government’s foreign policy some culpability, is not “blame America,” nor saying that 3000 Americans deserved death, but saying that the U.S. government’s invasive actions in Middle-Eastern territories have caused anger among the inhabitants there. They don’t like their lands (and their homes, their businesses, their lives) being intruded upon by foreign governments. And it’s not by foreign peoples, such as the American people, but foreign governments, particularly the U.S. government.

In recent writings, I have given examples, such as the 1953 CIA coup that overthrew the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran, replaced with the the U.S. government-supported Shah. For the next 25 years the U.S. government supported that Shah’s repressive dictatorship. The Iranian people suffered at the hands of this U.S. government puppet regime that brutalized them. It should not have been a surprise that such collusion between governments and such brutality led to the 1979 Iranian Revolution in which Americans were taken hostage in Iran for over a year, and the puppet regime was replaced by a more repressive, religiously fanatical Islamic regime under the Ayatollah.

Similarly, the Iraqi regime that the U.S. government supported throughout the 1980s and then the U.S. government waged war against in the 1990-91 first U.S.-Iraq War has now been replaced by repressive Islamic rule, under Sharia law. (“Thanks, America,” they are probably saying sarcastically in George W. Bush’s Iraq.)

This is what government interventionism causes — it makes things worse. We see that here in the U.S., and we see abroad what U.S. government foreign policy does, when it strays as far off from the Washington-Jefferson “no foreign entanglements” principle.

The CIA has no business involving itself in Iran’s internal matters, in 1953 or 2010. Conservatives better wake up and realize that they support a federal government with the power of compulsion over the people, over the individual states, that violates individual sovereignty and that violates states’ sovereignty, and when supporting a federal government’s trespassing on foreign lands and interfering with other people in other countries, they are also supporting a federal government with intrusive powers to invade their own personal lives and businesses, in their personal and financial matters.

Conservatives who have been blindly supportive of the Bush policies of the last 9 years and have believed the propaganda that pushes it will have to wake up and realize that a worse threat to America, to our freedom and security, is not terrorism, but the U.S. government.

And incidentally, I don’t know if the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Pakistan and soon Iran) are actually separate from the 1990-91 Persian Gulf War (U.S.-Iraq War I). I think that a good case can be made that the 1990-91 aggression committed by the U.S. government against Iraq was the real beginning of a so far 20-year general conflict, begun by Bush the Elder, with Reagan-Bush Administration’s support of Iraq during the 1980s as a lead-in, and the encouragement of a Bush Administration in 1990 for Saddam Hussein to go ahead and invade Kuwait as an excuse for Bush the Elder to invade Iraq to begin the so far 20 year campaign. Between 1991 and the 2001/2003 Afghanistan/Iraq Wars were continuous bombings of Iraq throughout the 1990s by President Clinton, as well as the murderous sanctions that led to skyrocketing disease, cancer and child mortality rates throughout Iraq by 2001.

So, Glenn Beck is constantly saying, “always tell the truth,” and there’s the truth. Those are some of the reasons that the terrorists, including Bin Laden and ’93 WTC bomber Yousef, have given for their terrorism.

A further note that I want to mention is that these foreign policies of aggression and interventionism — that run contrary to the policies of peace and freedom that the American Founders believed in — are policies not of national sovereignty and adherence to the Rule of Law, but are policies of internationalism and globalism, which is at the heart of the two Bush presidencies, especially the first Bush.

Here is a video of Bush the Elder’s address to the nation after the start of his war on Iraq in 1991. Note how he mentions not the vision of the American Founders, but the “vision of the U.N. founders.” In my opinion, that tells us a lot.

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I have been writing about how the U.S. government’s intrusions into Middle-Eastern territories over the last 60 or 70 years is what has motivated the Islamic terrorists to want to commit terrorist acts against the U.S., as I’ve written in yesterday’s post and two days ago.

The socialist central planners of the U.S. government have felt it necessary to do things like overthrowing leaders and propping up dictators in Iran, setting up lunatic tyrants in Iraq in order to wage war on them, and setting up military bases on Muslims’ Islamic holy lands, with the U.S. government in cahoots with other governments, against the actual masses of peoples in those lands.

But some people are saying that it’s really this “Islamic jihad” that motivates the terrorists against America, not having anything to do with the U.S. government’s intrusions into their lands. But what is inflaming this Islamic jihad? It’s not their religious commands that’s doing it. It’s the U.S. government’s intrusions into their lands that have been inflaming the jihadist sentiments and religious zeal.

I know I’ve written this before, but how many foreign military bases are in the U.S.? Not one. And why is that, and why is it okay for the U.S. government to set up military bases (over the last 50-100 years) in foreign lands but not okay for foreign governments to set up military bases in the U.S.?

Here is what I’m constantly hearing from the self-centered neocon blabbermouths about that: “But we’re the United States. We’re different, we’re special. America was divinely inspired, and has Divine Providence.” Some of the religious radio preachers such as Glenn Beck have been emphasizing this. What they mean is, because God has designated America as “special” as opposed to other countries or territories, therefore the U.S. government has special privileges to interfere with and intrude upon the territories and affairs of peoples in foreign lands.

Many of the same people who believe those things are those who say they are “offended” by a “mosque,” or community center, or whatever it is, two New York City blocks away from World Trade Center Ground Zero. That is why they are propagandizing the whole episode by stating that the proposed “mosque” is to be right on the actual premises of Ground Zero, and not bothering to mention that it is to be two blocks away. Those details are irrelevant to propagandists (and Archie Bunker Muslim-haters).

The democracy jihadists, “making the world safe for democracy,” Bush-Cheney and their followers, have done more destruction to whole societies such as Iraq and Afganistan, and murdered hundreds of thousands more innocents than the Islamic jihadists, all in the name of spreading democracy. (Who wants democracy, anyway? Nay, nay — democracy go away, I say!)

Arthur Silber has this post on the inner psychological goings on of the anti-mosque crusaders, and details the anti-mosque hysteria going on in other cities besides New York.

I wonder if Arthur Silber is related to former B.U. president John R. Silber (“When you’ve had a long life and you’re ripe, then it’s time to go.”) I hope not. But I digress.

If a mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero is hurting people’s feelings, then they need counseling to work through their issues. Just as the atheists of the ACLU need to work through their feelings hurt by an innocent cross on some public area, rather then running to courts to forcibly remove the cross.

Some people have actually been suggesting that the First Amendment be changed to exclude Islam as a protected religion. But if you’re going to give the government the power to outlaw Islam, then you’re giving the government the power to outlaw Christianity and ban the cross. Please don’t be that stupid.

I’m so sick of this.

If you’re worrying about the spread of Islam and Sharia Law in the United States, then you should encourage your U.S. government officials to end their intrusions into the territories of the people whose religious zeal is being inflamed by those intrusions.